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wellesz — Sat, 17 Sep 2011 02:27:13 -0000

Grew up?

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Dissavowed — Fri, 16 Sep 2011 02:56:52 -0000

WHO OWNS BRITAIN together with WHO RUNS BRITAIN by Jeremy Paxman, should be mandatory reading for all UK citizens. Together they highlight that the UK is run for the benefit of a ruling incompetent bafoon strata of people and the mass of the people suffer in many ways as a result.

Kevin Cahills book, Who Owns Britain, reveals the propaganda machine that insists we are “concreting over the countryside” and “urban sprawl” – when nothing could
be further from the truth. This cramming of the population into 7.5% of the land mass created an artificial land shortage ramping up land prices to the point that 2/3 of the value of UK homes is the value of the land.

It is a startling expose of Britain's most valuable asset - its land. Kevin Cahill's investigations reveal how the 6,000 or so landowners - mostly aristocrats, but also large institutions and the Crown - own about 40 million acres [the UK has 60 million in total], two thirds of the country, and have maintained their grip on the land right throughout the 20th century. The book argues that our present system of landownership is of material detriment to the vast majority of homeowners in the UK, imposing taxes on homeowners while many of the wealthiest landowners in the country pay no rates and actually receive money in the form of grants and subsidies for owning land. Paid for by us.

This 'Common Land' was systematically stolen from the people of the UK. To benefit a few at the top.

We live in a feudal society. And we need real radical change. Which will only come through real struggle.
During the 1846 Enclosures acts, and for centuries beforehand, Parliamentary Landlords, [or MP's,] stole over 8 million acres, of Common Land, even committing horrific murder on commoners who dared to complain.

And with the Bank Bailouts, the theft continues............The Banks are holding vast Landbanks and properties at reserve prices which nobody can pay.
Which means the Banks can keep generating and paying themselves fictitous bonuses based upon Falsified "profits" instead of writing down losses. Its Blatant False Accounting.
Why doesnt the Government make the Banks, declare the real 'mark to market' valuations of their property and land portfolios?
The Government complains about the lack of affordable housing, yet you let the Banks withhold the potential housing stock!

Once again They are pushing us into choosing Slavery or Anarchy.

Re: Hands Off Our Land: the 300,000 new homes already 'in the bank'

molesey_mole — Fri, 16 Sep 2011 01:27:36 -0000

No.

At the PRESENT rate it is more than two years' worth and planning permissions lapse if not used or updated.

Stop trying to post misleading info.

In addition, the developers have vast tracts of land which they can apply for permission on.

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amw123 — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:54:36 -0000

What will happen when all the people who are unable to buy their home retire in 30 to 40 years time and start claiming housing benefit?

As rents in a housing market with a restricted supply are so expensive the Government of the day will face a huge bill, or be forced to cut housing benefit and create an army of homeless pensioners.

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amw123 — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:48:33 -0000

If the rate of new house construction were to return to the rates seen in the last few years of Margaret Thatcher's premiership (~250,000/year) then 300,000 housing plots represents just over one years supply.

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hatenimbys — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:35:58 -0000

Well what a surprise Mummy and Daddys little boy Zac Goldsmith leading the efforts. Zac have you actually generated wealth yourself and what is your current house built on, oh that would be once unspoilt countryside.

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hatenimbys — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:27:45 -0000

Grew up mate...

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wellesz — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:25:37 -0000

Isn't it past your bedtime?

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Yeriz — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:15:21 -0000

Lets face facts, and the facts are these. The government, which includes just about all MP's, the civil service, local government and councillors, builders etc, belong to a in family corrupt mafia.
Neither government, local councils nor builders give a toss for building houses, of any decent quality for those of our young that are in need of decent accomodation; all of them have one simple greed motivation..............that's it.
So much time and money ( and spin) is accorded to squatters under the heading of travellers, foriegn invaders with no means and football team families, GIVEN HOUSING AND LOADS OF SPENDING MONEY. At the other end of the scale, there are Council CEO's, hospital managers, MP's etc, with no visible means of support ( other than fleecing the taxpayer), and other public service hangers on, all living in palatial residences, all costed by someone else.
I do not think that too many of our young people deserve too much sympathy for not being able to get on the housing ladder, but there are undoubtebly very many that do, but are being deliberately let down by the rotten politics of our country.
What we do not need is more housing of the numbers being quoted, we do need a thorough clear out of all foriegn benefit funded undesirables, and a large number of our own, including very many in the so called powerhouses.
NIMBY can be used any way one wishes. there is nothing wrong with a family buying property which sells under the auspices of * No building allowed adjacent*, only for some grubby council overturning that stricture for the sake of either a backhander, or a hatred of someone owning something.
The reason this country is in such a mess is partly because of the bankers, but 90% at least of the blame lies with the kindegarden politicians up and down the country.

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Dissavowed — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:13:11 -0000

House Prices will crash by over 50% from peak prices.
As they already have done in many parts of Britain.

All the way back to 1996 affordability levels. Back to the long term affordability as a proportion of income. 3x salary/

Can the scumbag politicians then explain to us why they purposefully manipulated them to rise by 300% in a decade?

Forcing us to work for nothing for over ten years? As Slaves. Whilst ignoring us, their constituents, and making hundreds of thousands of pounds in personal profits, under a secret expenses system, on taxpayer funded second homes, by voting on policies to inflate the housing bubble.

There was never any political will to assist the average person earning average wage, to afford 'private property.' Something they can work and pay for. A cornerstone of a democracy. We are just human cattle to them.

Whilst we were forced to waste tens upon tens of thousands in rent, as house prices rose year after year.
Paying Rent To a minimum wage 'liar loan' landlord who was somehow able to borrow enough to buy fifteen houses, fraudulently, from a bank, which assisted this fraud en masse, and a government who are now stealing my money, to pay these bankers back. In effect, my money is being stolen, to pay to keep the abnks assets, other peoples houses massively overpriced, ensuring I stay as a slave?

You may as well walk into someones house and rob them.

Because that's exactly what they have done to us.

They have caused immense social damage. Immense.
A direct consequence of Government Sponsored Bank Fraud and theft

And these parliamentarians seem to think a couple of 'Woops! Sorry's!' Will clear it all up.

Burn the b@5tards down. Seriously. I want vengeance against these F@ckers.

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EdVaughan — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:04:29 -0000

Hi Man! we the fraternity of Muslim people hope you will all share our hopes and desires. We come to this country and we do need somewhere to live. The rich Barons who seem to have all the properties charge very high rents. We would like our own house and all our family group are saving hard so that we have big deposit that the banks demand. We therefore beg all people to allow homes to be built in there plenty so we can buy rather than rely on the UK Benefits system, Please.

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wellesz — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:20:17 -0000

Really? Jobs? Please tell us more. Quickly, I haven't got all day. Where are the jobs?

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wellesz — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:18:20 -0000

Colin Wiles, you'll want to tell us what you do for a living just so we know you don't have a vested interest?

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wellesz — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:17:28 -0000

Can you really not think of a way to reduce the population over the next fifty years without killing people? Go on, try and think really, really hard. It may hurt at first but eventually something will happen.

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wellesz — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:14:03 -0000

How could anyone feel vindictive towards the people who have taken areas full of beauty and wildlife and coated them with nasty, ugly little boxes that make Britain look like East Germany in 1952?
I love you guys. Its just that the love takes the form of detesting every single thing that is touched by your nasty, selfish, greedy , grubby little hands.

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hatenimbys — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:11:12 -0000

Well put could not have put it better myself. The Daily Telegraph is simply on a huge vested interest spin campaign to protect it's nimby friends.

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hatenimbys — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:08:46 -0000

Many many years ago a large amount of unspoilt green belt land existed. Then some nasty w icked mean evil developers came around and built some horrible monstrosities on this one unspoilt land; St Pauls Catherdral; Buckingham Palace; Houses of Parliment; The Great Cities of London; Manchester etc. Thank goodness the Daily Telegraph nimbys were not around then to start a hands off our land campaign; otherwise the Nation would have remained an unimportant backwater. Oh did I also mention all the village cottages that the nimbys now live in. GREW UP DAILY TELEGRAPH..

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wellesz — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:07:01 -0000

Well, we keep hearing that the relaxation of the planning laws is for the poor young people who can't get a house - so clearly the developers will be donating most of their profits to help these young people. After all, it would be immoral of them to make vast profits from what is an NPPF based solely on a charitable cause.

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hatenimbys — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:03:42 -0000

The Daily Telegraph clearly has a huge vested interest here. Trying the old trick of trying to convince everyone that these rural landowners are a put upon minority. Basically the Daily Telegraph is talking absolute and utter garbage. Hands off my subsidized country cottage view.

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wellesz — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:59:06 -0000

John Smith is clearly a developer. I think a few have been mobilised by Greg to try and put forward the opposing view, such as it is. Expect a sudden rush of new usernames spouting rubbish about 'Nimbys' and 'Toffs'.

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wellesz — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:54:13 -0000

morgan

Illogical, irrelevant and basically just not very thoughtful.

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Dissavowed — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:50:16 -0000

The following information is taken mainly from Kevin Cahill's book.
Who Owns Britain?
Which took him 13 years to compile.

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A tiny minority exploits Britain at the expense of the rest of us.

Just 6,000 or so landowners -- mostly aristocrats, but also large
institutions and the Crown -- own about two thirds of the UK. They have maintained their grip on the land right throughout the 20th century.

Just 1,252 of them own about 60% of Scotland.

[They pay no land tax. Instead the government gives them £2.3 billion a year and the EU gives them a further £2 billion. In subsidies.]

The poor are forced to subsidise the super rich.
[Via over ten million homes paying Council Tax]

Less than 8% of the UK is developed.

The scarcity of Land is a myth. Agriculture only accounts for 3% of the economy.

In the UK 70% of the land is owned by 1% of the population.

60 million people live in 24 million "dwellings". These 24 million dwellings sit on just 7.7% of the land.

[Government Population statistics are innacurate. There are likely up to 80 Million people in the UK. Subsequent decades of political
mismanagement, have brought more people in, and crammed them into what little space we have.]

Of these 24 million dwellings, an ever increasing percentage are owned by private landlords, because a housing bubble was purposefully inflated, and a 'debt transfer' took place.

As of 2001 landbanks to a value of 37 billion pounds were known to
exist, with capacity to build an additional 3-4 million homes.

This reserved land is almost wholly owned by aristocrats; with none of it on the land registry.

[This land is coming out of subsidised rural estates, land held by off-shore trusts and companies, and effectively untaxed.]

Shares have to be registered; but land doesn't. The Land Registry still DOES NOT KNOW who owns between 30% and 50% of land in the UK.

86 years after the creation of the Land Registry, up to 50% of the land in England is still not registered.

Landowners' wealth is a parasite on Britain. Their wealth comes not from farming, nor even from renting, but from a trickling of land onto the urban housing market.

The clearing banks and building societies stripped our industries of
investment capital, then supported their clients, the landowners, by
running the rigged and overpriced land market.

In the UK 70% of the land is owned by 1% of the population.

A statistic from a Banana Republic, or a third world dictatorship.

The main function of our entire political system is to support centuries of theft and criminality. From the Normans, to the 16,17,18th Centuries [1846 enclosures act] stealing of Land from Commoners. [By Parliamentary Landlords]

Its been like this for Centuries. Democracy is a big lie.
We are a feudal society in the UK.

The more I learn about my Country, the more I realise Anarchy seems to be the only solution.

Get rid of the State.

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andagain — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:25:20 -0000

Let me see if I understand this correctly:

Planning reform will lead to the whole of southern England being covered in houses, but not to the construction of any new houses.

Is that it?

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molesey_mole — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:44:04 -0000

As far as I know it is a free-for-all - anyone may join in.

Developers and local builders will have the advantage of "knowing the system" - but SOME planning consultants and architects are already advertising their "services" in getting things done. No doubt if you KNOW (really know) how the Council's plan is written the more likely it is that you will get your application through easily - many less experienced people (private or professional) may very well ignore restrictions or requirements. This lack of knowledge is the real reason for the delays to applications. A "proper" application usually goes through quite quickly.

This will mean a torrent of applications will start when the guidelines come into effect an that Local Councils will be somewhat overwhelmed. The outlook for the land is BAD.

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molesey_mole — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:39:51 -0000

That is because they are NOT making the new rules for ordinary people, but for the very rich.

Look up "McMansion" in wikipedia (or similar) - these are eyesores that have sprung up in parts of the US ( I saw mine in Pennsylvania ) where a farmer sells of some land adjacent to a road into (to us) quite large packages (say 1 acre) and the developer puts one house (i.e. "footballer mansion" in our terms).

This means that you have a sort of ribbon development of awful houses lining the roads ruining the countryside.

NOW, who thinks that is a good idea ? (Apart from "footballers" that is ).